Ysabeau Narrow. Ysabeau Caption. #10
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Hi Michael, I’m always happy to hear about a print use of Ysabeau, especially of one so complex and typographically challenging as yours! I definitely agree that a more compact cut would be of great value. I also noticed that Ysabeau’s confident stride, which helps readability in text settings, becomes a downside in headings. I‘m hoping to expand the family to add an x-height axis and a width axis eventually (especially if I were to get Google Fonts funding for it!). My near-term goals, though, are to finish the Black master in Roman (almost done) and Italics (lots of work), and then possibly to round out the glyph coverage to include things like polytonic Greek and IPA.
Thanks, that‘s great to hear. 😁 Cheers, Christian |
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(Is there no way around compressing the Italic, though? Maybe just setting it a bit smaller?) |
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The typeset is registered. If I let them shrink properly with the leading
as well, then rows of text on the back of the page aren't on the same grid
and it interferes when printing on Bible paper. If I mess with the
vertical size, but keep the leading the same, it's going to look weird. If
the subheads that nearly always have 3-4 rows together have more leading,
then the text is going to feel cramped, cramped and the subheads are going
to look like they were set wrong.
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(Is there no way around compressing the Italic, though? Maybe just setting
it a bit smaller?)
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I may be wrong, but I think what you're seeing in the titles is the that
vertical cadence is off. I know it, but haven't been able to do anything
about it (also due to the text being registered so thin paper can be used.)
I've got the math to properly position the main titles so they feel right,
but it's not on the same grid, and libreoffice won't remember the page grid
and let you shift text around... you have to set everything to that grid,
or nothing stays on the grid.
With Indesign, I chose to keep the grid and just shifted stuff with a
vertical offset, but while LibreOffice has a vertical shift parameter, it
won't shift beyond the row of text, it just starts clipping. So, All of
the letters in a slightly wrong position is better than part of the letters
in the right position.
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The typeset is registered. If I let them shrink properly with the leading
as well, then rows of text on the back of the page aren't on the same grid
and it interferes when printing on Bible paper. If I mess with the
vertical size, but keep the leading the same, it's going to look weird. If
the subheads that nearly always have 3-4 rows together have more leading,
then the text is going to feel cramped, cramped and the subheads are going
to look like they were set wrong.
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Oh, I didn’t see anything untoward in your titles. I was referring to my own use of Ysabeau for documents. Having heavier weights than Bold has already alleviated the problem quite a bit, though. Didn’t know about Bible paper; interesting! |
Just wanted to say thank you for Ysabeau. I just finished my first real typeset using Ysabeau lined up with EB Garamond.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=16fwqESQ_EYbemv5zgctCGjs-b6y0H6p0
but...
There were some LONG subheadings in this work that forced me to rethink the whole look of the book (like 13 lines of text long the way I originally defined the subheads.) And there's not much out there in the way of tall, narrow fonts that would even begin to blend in. I went with a heavier italic face of Ysabeau so it wasn't so obvious I was squeezing the horizontal, but this only works because this text doesn't use much italic, so you can't see the angle isn't right, with a more advanced typeset (where every body paragraph has 3-10 words italicized, and footnotes have italicized keywords) this cheat won't work. And really, if and when anyone spends much time reading through the subheads, they're going to notice it's squeezed. It's only because these are going to be skipped over most of the time that I did it this way.
So, could you maybe put up a narrow or condensed cut of Ysabeau, (for sale even?) And the same thing for a caption cut for Ysabeau. I have some Bibles with 30-40% footnotes that must be done with a significantly smaller font for annotations, simply increasing the weight doesn't do it completely, I'd need the descenders cropped, and possibly even the ascenders. Both of these cuts would vastly improve the usability of Ysabeau. Currently I don't even try these works with tall fonts, because there's nothing that's close to cutting it. But I believe the whole "put computer shaped text onto paper" thing is wrong... letters like Garamond and Ysabeau are easier to see than letters like Helvetica with no ascender height.
Ok that's all I have to say, I've been looking for something like Ysabeau for a decade. I do love it. You're welcome to close or delete this "issue" once you've read it. :-)
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