IrcLog2008 09 08

18:23:54 * garyo-home (n=[email protected]) has joined #scons 18:58:23 <GregNoel> Hi, Gary. Almost time for the bug party. Anyone else here? I don't see Steven. 18:58:57 Hi Greg, I'm here. 18:59:05 Don't know about steven yet. 19:00:13 <GregNoel> Let me grab a soda; I'll be right back. 19:00:19 ok 19:03:51 <GregNoel> OK, I'm back; where's Steven? 19:04:32 no sign yet. 19:04:49 <GregNoel> I marked up all the issues that had obvious consensus; there should only be a few to discuss. 19:05:15 I don't have that much time tonight; I should keep it to 1/2 hour. Presentation tomorrow then off to Amsterdam Wednesday. Thanks for the great spreadsheet work! 19:05:54 <GregNoel> The dam of the Amster river? I'm jealous. 19:06:12 Amstel, but who's counting. Yes, a truly wonderful town. 19:06:31 <GregNoel> Sigh. I never could spell... 19:07:05 <GregNoel> We've been through there on vacations, but never time to visit. 19:06:39 Wish I had more free time though, it's all business 90% of the time. 19:07:18 I think I could move there. 19:07:46 <GregNoel> Hmmm... I'd go for the Bay of Islands first. 19:07:51 Where's that? 19:08:03 <GregNoel> North New Zealand. 19:08:30 Australia & NZ have long been on my list. But it's quite the flight to get there, esp. with a family! 19:08:49 <GregNoel> True, 16 hours or more. 19:08:39 What's Bay of Islands like? 19:09:41 <GregNoel> Lovely. It's a natural breakwater almost a hundred miles wide across the top of NZ. Like a bay, wonderful sailing. 19:10:28 Sounds great. Is it tropical? 19:10:59 <GregNoel> Semi-tropical; about the same as San Diego. 19:11:13 That's pretty perfect. 19:12:04 <GregNoel> Oh, yes. And prices are unbelievable. We looked at a small castle on ten acres for 200K NZD. 19:12:17 Whoa! Really?? 19:12:49 <GregNoel> Yes, although food and health care are high. 19:11:36 Well, it's 12 after. Shall we look at a few of the non-consensus issues even just the 2 of us? 19:12:05 Also can you remind me of the current 1.1 schedule? 19:12:36 <GregNoel> Uh, that's something I wanted to discuss. 19:13:04 ok, shoot. It'll go in the IRC logs anyway. 19:13:40 <GregNoel> OK, here's the consideration: December is a bad time to commit to a release. Between Thanksgiving, holiday get-togethers, Christmas shopping, Christmas, Boxing day, New Year's Eve, and New Year's Day, there are just too many distractions. 19:13:40 <GregNoel> If we keep the current schedule for 1.1 and try to maintain it for 1.2, we're going to end up with 1.3 the end of December. Not good. 19:13:40 <GregNoel> So if we start the clock for 1.1 as of Sunday's 1.0.1 release, then we can have a checkpoint this weekend (13 September), a release candidate on the weekend of 27 September, and a release the weekend of 4 October. That's not too bad. 19:13:40 <GregNoel> For 1.2, we plan checkpoints for the weekend of 18 October and 1 November, a release candidate the weekend of 15 November, and a release the weekend of 23 November, well before Thanksgiving on 27 October. 19:13:40 <GregNoel> Then for 1.3, we plan bi-weekly checkpoints toward a (to be determined) release date in January. 19:13:40 <GregNoel> At that point, we can decide whether to have a 1.4 or work toward 2.0. (I'd go for a 2.0 in March, with several incremental checkpoints along the way.) 19:13:40 <GregNoel> How's that sound? 19:13:50 :-) 19:15:15 <GregNoel> Comments? 19:15:24 So far what I've seen for 1.1 looks like it could be done by 27 sept. I'll be gone from Wednesday to next Wednesday though. Still, I have only 4 tickets for 1.1. 19:15:54 <GregNoel> I'm trying to stretch 1.1 slightly so 1.3 won't end up in December. 19:15:55 Basically you're proposing to stretch it a little, which suits me fine. 19:16:02 * sgk (n=[email protected]) has joined #scons 19:16:08 Aha, here he is. 19:16:09 <GregNoel> Hello, Steven. 19:16:13 hey there 19:16:19 stuck on the highway 19:16:38 No problem. I have to go at 10:30 (OK, stretch to 10:40). 19:16:51 i can't stay much either 19:16:48 Busy rest of week. 19:16:53 i hear you 19:17:02 <GregNoel> We're discussing schedule... 19:17:07 Greg, want to re-dump your last thing? 19:17:14 release sched? or bug party sched? 19:17:19 <GregNoel> release 19:17:22 1.1 - 1.4. 19:17:33 :-) 19:17:40 <GregNoel> Shall I requote? 19:17:44 did you see what i slapped up in roadmap.html? 19:17:47 please. 19:17:49 please do 19:17:51 requote 19:18:05 <GregNoel> Ur, no, not yet. Here's what I said before: 19:18:08 <GregNoel> Here's the consideration: December is a bad time to commit to a release. Between Thanksgiving, holiday get-togethers, Christmas shopping, Christmas, Boxing day, New Year's Eve, and New Year's Day, there are just too many distractions. 19:18:08 <GregNoel> If we keep the current schedule for 1.1 and try to maintain it for 1.2, we're going to end up with 1.3 the end of December. Not good. 19:18:08 <GregNoel> So if we start the clock for 1.1 as of Sunday's 1.0.1 release, then we can have a checkpoint this weekend (13 September), a release candidate on the weekend of 27 September, and a release the weekend of 4 October. That's not too bad. 19:18:08 <GregNoel> For 1.2, we plan checkpoints for the weekend of 18 October and 1 November, a release candidate the weekend of 15 November, and a release the weekend of 23 November, well before Thanksgiving on 27 October. 19:18:08 <GregNoel> Then for 1.3, we plan bi-weekly checkpoints toward a (to be determined) release date in January. 19:18:08 <GregNoel> At that point, we can decide whether to have a 1.4 or work toward 2.0. (I'd go for a 2.0 in March, with several incremental checkpoints along the way.) 19:18:08 <GregNoel> How's that sound? 19:19:00 Looking at roadmap.html, you guys are remarkably close. 19:19:25 well, off by .2 :-) 19:19:45 overall timing between releases makes sense to me 19:19:57 so working that towards 1.2, sure 19:20:06 1.1 end sept/early oct, 1.2 24 nov, sounds good to me. 19:20:45 and agree with general time frames 19:20:45 can we look at some of the issues? 19:21:33 <GregNoel> yes, I'm digesting Steven's roadmap 19:21:39 not sure if i can -- really sorry 19:22:09 i'm okay with going with your consensus guys' consensus based on spreadsheet 19:22:22 and if there's something that really needs my input, take it off-line 19:22:36 <GregNoel> only a few other issues to discuss.. 19:22:48 can we tee them up really quickly? 19:23:22 <GregNoel> Check the spreadsheets; I marked them. 19:23:14 new ones: 2195 (ok for 1.x, not 1.1)? 19:23:40 [all other new ones are already consensus, 2195's the only one w/ any question.) 19:24:04 <GregNoel> 2191 needs an owner 19:24:33 I'll do it. I have VMs for it and can snapshot them. 19:24:34 2195: my gut says yes 1.1 (since it's for new features) 19:24:55 <GregNoel> OK, I'll push Rob about it. 19:25:01 <GregNoel> 2191 needs an owner 19:25:09 2195: if it slips, we don't hold 1.1 for it. 19:25:22 ok? 19:25:25 <GregNoel> yes 19:25:36 2191: agree 19:25:44 2195: agree i mean 19:25:52 2191: any chance david's stuff covers it? 19:26:07 too big for me to commit in 1.1 19:26:28 <GregNoel> I'll ask, see what he thinks. 19:26:40 <GregNoel> If David doesn't want it, what then? 19:26:53 2191, python64 on win64, right? I can look at it. 19:27:05 <GregNoel> OK, will you have time? 19:27:34 Can't promise of course. But it looks simple. I know an awful lot about win64 registry issues. :-/ 19:27:58 <GregNoel> OK, garyo owner. Next spreadsheet? 19:28:12 2005 is first I think. 19:28:37 If Steven wants it, OK. 19:28:45 <GregNoel> er, 1945 is first, I think. 19:29:09 OK, I didn't count 1945 cause it seemed like we all say "see if Ludwig will do it" and if not, defer. 19:29:10 which spreadsheet? 19:29:33 BugParty page: Decide which issues from 1.x should be promoted into 1.1 19:29:34 <GregNoel> "Possible issues for 1.1" 19:29:45 thnx 19:29:57 http://scons.tigris.org/issues/buglist.cgi?resort=1&component=scons&issue_status=UNCONFIRMED&issue_status=NEW&issue_status=STARTED&issue_status=REOPENED&order=issues.target_milestone%2C%20issues.priority%2C%20issues.votes%20desc%2C%20issues.creation_ts&target_milestone=1.x 19:30:21 <GregNoel> 1945, Done. 19:31:02 2005: me done 19:31:09 ok. 19:31:32 <GregNoel> 2005 done 19:31:41 <GregNoel> 2044 19:31:53 can we advertise on the ML ? 19:32:06 seems like it would be important enough that someone might actually volunteer... 19:31:55 2044: not a real UNC naming fix, just fix the looping. 19:32:28 Isn't there a real UNC fix queued up too? 19:32:44 Yes, 1420. 19:33:05 * bdbaddog (n=[email protected]) has joined #scons 19:33:11 Hi, Bill. 19:33:20 Good evening all. 19:33:21 anyone assigned to 1420 ? 19:33:22 <GregNoel> Maybe Benoit can look at this one, too. 19:33:26 But I think even with 1420, we may still need the fix in 2044. 19:33:26 <GregNoel> Hi, Bill 19:34:01 otoh, 2044 can go in any time. 19:34:33 <GregNoel> I'll ask Benoit. Move on? 19:34:42 done 19:34:43 Hi Bill, we're looking at the 1.x -> 1.1 issues. 19:34:54 1402 i think? 19:35:02 = vs_revamp 19:35:18 wow, greg, thanks for pre-consensus'ing these 19:35:20 this is great 19:35:32 yes, +1 greg! 19:35:47 <GregNoel> Aw, shucks... 19:36:09 anyway, I think we agree on 1402 too. If vs_revamp fixes it then great, if not, defer. 19:36:21 <GregNoel> OK, who? 19:36:32 1402: david 19:36:34 vs_revamp is david c, cc me. 19:36:41 <GregNoel> OK, done 19:36:53 <GregNoel> 1772 19:37:07 I think that's a "no". 19:37:31 <GregNoel> agreed, but should I send it to Ludwig with a query? 19:37:44 sure 19:37:51 <GregNoel> done 19:38:00 2048 is next 19:38:15 <GregNoel> 2^11 is next 19:38:21 :-) 19:38:31 2041: 1.1, sure, but who ? 19:38:50 already has patch & testcase, it'll take me 10 min. 19:39:04 garyo++ 19:39:08 <GregNoel> done 19:39:21 <GregNoel> but run regression tests, first. 19:39:33 of course. 19:39:45 But that's bg time, not my actual time. 19:39:51 <GregNoel> true 19:39:58 <GregNoel> That appears to be it. 19:40:04 well done all! 19:40:15 agreed, many thanks 19:40:25 <GregNoel> I was hoping to get to some backlog today, but maybe next time. 19:40:22 I do need to go now. I won't be around next week, I'll be in Amsterdam til next Wednesday. 19:40:37 <GregNoel> Skip next week? 19:40:56 maybe, let's sync up in the ML about schedule 19:41:08 i may need to find a different night 19:41:10 or time 19:41:11 <GregNoel> Or you could take along a laptop; it'll be 2am in Amsterdam... 19:41:14 Gnight all. I gotta run. 19:41:17 * bdbaddog has quit ("Leaving.") 19:41:22 me too -- later 19:41:23 I'll be connected there anyway. 19:41:25 thank again 19:41:28 * sgk has quit ("Leaving") 19:41:32 'night. 19:41:37 <GregNoel> G'night. 19:41:40 * garyo-home has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.1/2008070208]")