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Add reversible saturated adiabatic paths #434

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jrleeman opened this issue May 25, 2017 · 1 comment · May be fixed by #3224
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Add reversible saturated adiabatic paths #434

jrleeman opened this issue May 25, 2017 · 1 comment · May be fixed by #3224
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Area: Calc Pertains to calculations Subarea: Thermo Pertains to thermodynamic calculations and their physical correctness

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We would like to have reversible processes as well as pseudo adiabatic processes. A few references:

  1. reversible moist-adiabatic process
  2. moist-adiabatic lapse rate
  3. pseudoadiabatic lapse rate

Upon looking into our current implementation of moist_lapse it appears to come from (2) above. Given that our docs say it's pseudo adiabatic, I would have expected an implementation of (3). (@dopplershift?) I'm unclear on the difference between the two actually, but it looks like it can make up to 0.7 degC difference for a 25 C surface parcel lifted to 100 hPa.

Implementing (1) requires some mixing ratios that we do not yet have #433

@jrleeman jrleeman added the Area: Calc Pertains to calculations label May 25, 2017
@deeplycloudy deeplycloudy added the Subarea: Thermo Pertains to thermodynamic calculations and their physical correctness label Aug 21, 2020
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As part of work on a class project @dpequeen and @aalynnttu have implemented the three moist lapse rate implementations in the AMS glossary. See their narrative describing results and uncertainties in the notebook at their repository. For the reversible processes, the AMS Glossary is unclear about what to assume for liquid water content at each level, as also noted in #433. Section 4.7 in Emanuel gives an expression for the differential change in mixing ratio with height (pressure). Given that expression, and assuming a starting parcel condition at the LCL, it should be possible to predict an exact amount of water condensed at any height above the just-saturated point. The calculation already uses an ODE solver, so I think the infrastructure is already there to do this additional step. Another surprising result was that the “compromise” moist adiabatic lapse rate is not between the pseudo adiabatic and reversible moist adiabatic curves as the AMS glossary text would seemingly imply. Regardless, the work here should be a helpful, concrete advancement of the things that need to be resolved to close this issue.

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