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New category for solutions with/without features accessible only with pasting the code #139

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commonnickname opened this issue Nov 1, 2018 · 12 comments

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@commonnickname
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commonnickname commented Nov 1, 2018

There are some feature that don't exist in the game normally, but that you can introduce by editing the code in a text editor. For example: random pickUp, random set, numbers from 100 to 255 etc.
However, putting solutions that use those features feels like it would defeat the purpose of having a repository where people can look up record solutions, - if those solutions cannot be written without 3rd party software.
Or maybe not a new category, but a new tag: Year NUM - NAME (TYPE) - (in-game/editor).txt

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commonnickname commented Nov 1, 2018

Related questions: If we make a new category, what do you think we should do with solutions that use early random steps? Technically, a text editor is not required to write it, because it can be written on another level and then copied over. I'm 55/45 split in favour of moving it into the new category.

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ghost commented Nov 1, 2018

i think early random steps count as "hidden feature"

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Another reason to have a new category is that in case the developers fix it, we won't have any problems retrieving older solutions that work.

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ghost commented Nov 3, 2018

yeah, that's right

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ghost commented Nov 3, 2018

but what about levels like compulsory office romance or levels with div 0 trick?

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Or a category "without copying". Another motivation would be that the iPad version doesn't allow to copy and paste the code?

@commonnickname commonnickname changed the title New category for solutions with 'hidden features' New category for solutions with/without features accessible only with pasting the code Feb 23, 2019
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NeunEinser commented Mar 7, 2019

I really think we should have this.
I personally do not like exploit solutions at all, and imo they do not belong in the main category, if a new category is created.
It might be the best solution, tho to have a new tag for exploit solutions, so that we do not have to create exploit categories for all 3 current categories.
For the overview table, a simple icon marker in the level name would probably work.

By "exploit solutions" I mean solutions, that can not be created without external tools (i.e. a text editor). Quirks like div 0, or e.g, abusing ForEachDir to skip looking around should still be categoriezed as "non exploit", imo.

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Ormek commented Dec 14, 2019

I agree. I was looking for a speed solution for year 15:Shred Lines. I found the top speed to be 11, but I cannot enter it in the game, just paste it, because the GUI does not allow me to create pickup n,e. Therefore, the answer was not fulfilling.

@Doomsday31415
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Why hasn't this been fixed yet? It's been over a year.

Solutions that use exploits like pasting in invalid commands should be in a separate category, not the main one.

@blueglyph
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I agree, solutions that cannot be entered from the game, so either non-existent like pickup n,e or not granted at that level like step n,e, should be in a separate category, if there at all.

@abfipes12
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thanks for suggestion, I made a directory for pasteable-only solutions with 26 solutions

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ostcar commented Jun 27, 2024

The current best solution for Year 06 also uses a past-only commend. In this your, pickUp is only possible on the current tail, and not south.

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