Why don't you update Kiwi anymore? #1195
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As It seems, this project is officially dead. |
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I request dev to clarify on this. I really love this browser, minus bugs, this has everything under the hood. |
That list is quite short:
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I tried Edge (Canary and stable), but I wasn't be able to install extensions from chrome web store. |
You cannot (yet) install extensions directly from the store, it has to be done manually in the developer options (which need to be activated first by hitting the build number 5 times) |
Yep, I tried this approach. No such option listed. Maybe disabled for some regions, I guess. |
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No such option. Dunno why. I don't care actually. I don't think msedge is a good choice. |
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I agree regarding "not a good choice", but unfortunately right now, it is the only Chromium based browser with full extension support, that is still being updated. Other browsers like Yandex only support a small fixed set of extensions. |
I was using Yandex for a couple of months and was able to install almost any Manifest3 extension directly from Chrome web store. |
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Is it possible to build kiwi/src.next without build.find.kiwi server? |
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Lemur had ported both devtools and extension from kiwi But lemur had worst of all ui no tab grouping making browsing miserable |
Came across "Quetta Private Adblock Browser", supports addons from chrome extension store and MS edge addon store. But is only for mobile (android and ios and ipad). They say windows and mac OS is upcoming. |
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No tab groups The main selling point of kiwi besides extension is devtools Quetta is hell slow in loading webpages As for quetta only good thing is its video downloader and casting feature though dont know casting really works or not as i had no device to cast to, actually cast is greyed out and thus non working quetta doesnt load videos properly on webpages we were forced to use quetta download feature to download |
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its for sure their can never be one perfect browser with all features alteast basic features that makes a browser 'The Browser' |
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its for sure their can never be one perfect browser with all features alteast basic features that makes a browser 'The Browser' Those brave browser devs keeps wasting their time in adding AI and crypto currency features they lack simple bookmark exporting feature |
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Thanks, as I dont need tab groups, I checked Lemur and Quetta. Quetta seems pretty basic with almost no customization (it seems impossible to move search bar to top etc.). |
Always Be Careful when shifting browser years back i shifted to brave used it for 2 yrs and collected 1000s of bookmark Same with kiwi i strted browsing on regular basid colleced 1000s of opened tabs I had to use computer and adb as intermediaty to backup those tabs |
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Lemur had been crashing after latest update so be careful when swithig |
Not open source, unfortunately (feel free to argue if you have another opinion). Quetta is pretty new browser, so I am not sure It's trustworthy. |
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google chrome / chromium for android good and fast i had 1400 tabs open in both and yet no glitch or lag when switching tabs, yes to make switching fast they dont show preview if each tabs content thys it becones difficult to navigate But But chromium for android latesr have addes search feature you can ditectky search open tabs using url or keywords and its amazing at first glance when i tried As for ads in chromium or googlr chrome use adguard dns wide on your router or just adgurad app through vpn profile Or if have root nothing stopping you Also chroimum for android come with content shell apk Another browser is ' THORIUM BROWSER |
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What happened to the update that was supposed to be dropping? That was weeks, maybe months ago now. It's a shame nobody with the skills can or will save Kiwi as it's by far the best browser for Android. |
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I wish someone would update Kiwi, Firefox for Android still has a lot of shortcomings. |
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If you take a look at (kiwi 124 is installable on android 7 while chromium 124 is only installable on android 8+) |
Use raindrop bookmark manager software tool. Its handy and lifesaver for people like us who are bookmark freaks out there. |
Try Vivaldi or Opera on Android. I'm using both on another device and have seen improvements from them. |
Use Fenix browser or Iceraven browser or Waterfox browser on mobile. Rest floorp and Zen browser for desktop. |
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What a pity that Kiwi is the only browser offering support for add-ons, developer tools, and open-source features all in one. I hope it will continue to be developed. |
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To answer the OP and others in thread, it is likely that Kiwi doesn't make enough money to afford to update it. People need to eat, and people with technical skills have many demands on their time and attention. It is not fair to demand releases unless you are a paying customer; and if you are, you vote with your feet. While the developer or team might be facing a crisis unrelated to cashflow, the simple fact is, had they more money they could have more developers who could then pick up the slack when dealing with a crisis. Please, do not be demanding, or sarcastic, or bitter, or whining about something you have gotten for free. Instead be grateful it has existed at all. If it's so valuable that you want to see it continue to exist, ask yourself how you can help. Negative, critical, and rude feedback is a sure way to sap energy from developers - and without it, they are better served working for Microsoft, Google, or Amazon, etc. Whining is not a way to help - it only drives away those who could. |
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+1 for requesting updates. kiwi is my favorite on Android. On tablet, in laptop mode, it's the closest to desktop usage with addons. No Firefox variants allow selecting text to do a websearch (long click). Here are the browsers I'm using. Almost all support addons. chromite is my default for apps opening sign in pages (too many tweaks and blockers in my everyday kiwi browser so I use "Better Open With" app to choose a browser depending on my needs.)
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Xbrowser is my second favorite chrome variant with extensions on Android. |
I installed cromite and XBrowser on Android but they don't support Chrome extensions |
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cromite doesn't support extensions (yet). |
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I don't want to sound like a shill, but it seems that currently the fastest chromium based android browser with tab grid support is Lemur (chromium 127), it's 40% faster than latest kiwi in speedometer. All the other ones are either slower than kiwi (quetta, mises) or gecko based (rainsee=kito browser) or don't have tab grid support (edge canary, yandex)
It has a script manager preinstalled, a decent one, unlike what Via has, so you can use usercripts instead of extensions, for many people this is enough. |
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how?
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I suspect the author is capped by the (in many cases thoughtlessly bumped) Android version requirement. [ Quote chromer030 @ CE 2024-11-01 06:12:31 UTC: That maybe somewhat troublesome to deal with. ---- [ Quote lje @ CE 2024-11-07 07:13:09 UTC: [ funnycups @ CE 2024-11-05 09:58:31 UTC: Probably not really so "actively exploited": as the major IT world also lacks the adequate knowledge of doing things properly. |
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lemur browser forked kiwi devtools and extension, they should have forked the whole kiwi and continued development |
It was however not open-sourced. |
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X Browser, Lemur are Chinese browsers. Therefore, there may be privacy issues. Quetta is also a company established through a Chinese virtual office rental company located in the UK, so there may be the same issues. |
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"Well-control what data each layer may attain is the essence to the problem." Though the privacy concerns of Chinese apps are serious: |
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FFupdater tagged Kiwi now as "no longer maintained" and "should no longer be used " |
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Will keep using till death do us apart (either one ,,!!) |
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Extensions don't work on Lemur. Especially, bypasspaywall one. Lemur has pathetic extension support. Switch to Firefox instead. Edge has bloated Microsoft mess packed in |
Nah, there's no way they work worse on lemur, proxy extensions work better for example, on kiwi they were barely useable.
This is probably the issue, this extension is probably broken and outdated by now as it was dmca'ed |
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Kiwi is itself limited in extension support Even tabs api in kiwi is useless, most or tabs properties are immutable so tab api functions like grouping, moving, replace etc etc are not available only create update duplicate like primitive features only |
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Only good thing about kiwi chromium not being updates is you can keep using ublock like extensions, If kiwi will update to latest chromium MV2 support will break and with MV3 only the adblocking extensions will be limited to 10% of their capabilities Also extension that redirect resources and urls will break without webRequest API as its not in MV3 |
Yes, but I think in any case, an updated browser without an adblocker is much safer than an outdated browser with an adblocker. |
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I used to use Kiwi an year ago. Then I switched to Cromite. Then I decided to stop using all dedicated chromium forks on Android. Then I started using Privacy Browser which pulled me into Privacy rabbithole. And I started using NextDNS as a form of domain level adblocking, which works fine on all of my platform browsers. I don't think I need Extensions anymore. My screen on time reduced drastically too. |
@tathastu871 It's FOSS. Yes. I do normal browsing and my experience hasn't changed a bit with a webview browser. Infact it's enhanced. It's lightweight, has JS toggle, cookies toggle, desktop style tab support, custom domain configurations, etc. All sweet stuff. Better experience than any browsers and extensions provide. I'm not selling the browser here anyways. I'm just sharing my experience because I was a Kiwi browser, thinking that I must need desktop extensions on Android. Happens that I don't. |
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Thats a dillema, no existing browsers on android or pc provides "Basic features that makes a browser 'A BROWSER' that being streamlined surfing experience They have all sort of complex features like ai crypto etc but they lack good bookmarkling, backup sync fast tab opening and switching |
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@tathastu871 Depends on you. What sort of user are you, what features you want and what choices you make. That shapes your browsing experience and your Internet lifestyle. Kiwi is a good browser. But like other ones, it's the same as any other chromium fork, but with extensions. That's it. Moreover, with the advent of MV3, content blocking via extensions is going to get restricted from March 2025 anyways. That makes ublock, adguard and other extensions almost obsolete. For a good bookmark syncing, you HAVE to sacrifice your privacy and give it out to the cloud services such as Google, Mozilla or Brave. You HAVE to trust them. With local bookmarks, that won't be an issue. But syncing would be the problem. I'm satisfied with Privacy Browser in terms of tab experience, fast browsing, etc. Although I had to sacrifice some features such as tab grouping, search suggestions or syncing. But in exchange for amazing privacy oriented features that no browser offers as of today. |
No, that makes Chromium based browsers obsolete. What will remain are Brave with its "hardcoded" support for UBlock and Firefox based browsers like Fennec or Mull. |
@lje You really believe that ? Even now, 94% of browser users are on Google Chrome, despite the Android version doesn't support extensions. Even with desktop Chrome, only 10 to 20% of the userbase actually use adblockers. Don't think that every user is on uBlock or Adguard or ABP. MV3 transition almost technically doesn't matter to the masses who never happened to use content blockers. We are actually the minority here. Let's say even if MV2 is preserved by Chromium forks & Firefox, that won't stop the scammers from spreading MV2 malware, which MV3 is supposed to eradicate. This sort of culture will obviously gonna push the market towards more browsing restrictions in favor of security measures. Let's take this anecdotally here. Older android versions used to have a lot of customisation & feature flexibility than newer versions. Did this ever stopped users from not upgrading their devices ? Same is going to happen with the Internet. |
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At least in my bubble (which may represent a small minority) nobody would use a browser w/o proper adblock. Since we do not install random extensions, we consider the risk to get malware through an ad as significantly worse than getting malware through an extension. There may stillbe hope: apparently the US wants to force Google to split from Chrome. An independent Chrome may have diffenent priorities than shove ads on users' phones and screens, depending on who will fund it. |
You don't seem to know much about extension manifests. Go through what are they first.
Extension support doesn't exist on Android because Web Store extensions are desktop compatible only. Not caz of "Google Evil". Get around that childish reasoning. Content blocking will still work on MV3. All that MV3 does, is that it increases extension security by removing remote hosted code, dynamic javascript modification and migration to service workers. |
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MV3 DNR MIGHT BE FASTER BUT
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Why don't you update Kiwi anymore? It's really a pity that a browser this good is not developed anymore
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