how to get started / find the right testing panel?

[dcsan]

I've installed the extension but can't find the panel view.

the MS provided python extension constantly fails to discover tests, but I can't seem to access the panel for this little Fox one -0 even though I'm sure I have seen it before.

this is what I see in the >View: Show Testing

whereas I think I need to see this test explorer

from your docs which is this extension
https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=hbenl.vscode-test-explorer

I used to see both panels (on a previous VS code version) but unable to find it now.

I tried doing this to disable the MS built in crap

    // disable the default MS python testing framework
    "python.testing.unittestEnabled": false, 
    "python.testing.nosetestsEnabled": false,
    "python.testing.pytestEnabled": false,
    "pythonTestExplorer.testFramework": "pytest", // (or unittest)

but can't see any overlays in the UI to trigger tests. discovery still fails I guess and now there is NO way to see how.

there should be some icons here: