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restructure chemical feedstock emissions balancing #1829
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I don't really see yet how this resolves the issue.
You now added all plastics and incineration carbon to the emissions. However, non-fossil incineration and plastics should not cause emissions (stored plastics should even account negative emissions). Note that the FE emissions factors are 0 (and not negative) here. We could maybe subtract all v37_FeedstocksCarbon
in q_emiTeDetailMkt
if we want to go your direction.
Let's take a step back and discuss first the urgency and implementation plan.
Lavinia sounded urgent …
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You're describing my implementation, right? |
Ok, I understand it now and seems fine to address the first (more important) issue raised. If you replace |
Yes. I think that should work.
Why would an additional one be needed? Can't we just leave everything as is and just do your proposed changes? We could also change that switch a share. To me, a fraction being emitted seem more likely than the two options all or nothing. |
Problem is that I agree to everything after 4 pm...
That's not true for fossil feedstocks as they get subtracted here:
So, this feedstock correction would need to be removed in
You are absolutely right. (unless I change my mind in a few hours)
No other abatement option than using non-fossil feedstocks in the first place. Now that I understand that we account them correctly, I don't mind any share between 0 and 1. Ok, so let's check again the interfaces of the feedstocks to the emissions equation (assuming (see here for spreadsheet version) Looks fine to me.
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Damn it, you're right.
You had objections to that, and very rightly so. I quote from mattermost:
Sooooo...
But after thinking about this, I first need a bio-aspirin now, and I will not keep it forever. |
I updated the table. My solution would be:
That summation follows the balance after each step in the product's lifecycle:
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Haha
I think that's lubricant oil that gets burned, and the like My suggestion for that would be:
to
(removing the SE dimension) 2.) Move them into the same feedstocks balance as the terms above |
Follow-up question though: All the feedstocks stuff is currently in |
It is gonna be 4 pm soon...so I can only react briefly (not only because my head does not work reliably afterwards but I also need to get to the Kita). Some short remarks / questions: 1.)
I don't understand so far how this is related. I was suggesting to remove subtracting the total fossil feedstocks carbon from 2.) On the chemical process emissions / unknownFate emissions: My understanding is that
The ultimate place where accounting questions should be decided is in the IAMC template repository. I wanted to open an issue on feedstocks accounting there for a while but have not gotten to it yet. So far, we accounted all carbon in products to energy emissions in REMIND (only the chemical process emissions were outside I'd say for waste incineration (for energy purposes), it is clear that is should stay like this (and we now also allocate the waste incineration emissions to different sectors (buildings, industry, power) in reportEmi(). However, you are right that for carbon contained in products it is not so clear whether that seems plausible. The IPCC defines energy-related emissions (sector 1) as emissions from "manufacturing or combustion of fuels". Not sure what this means e.g. for accounting negative emissions from bioplastics. As Philipp said, the real world seems to lack consistent accounting here anyways. There are quite some intricacies e that we discussed also with the relation of gross emissions / net emissions and CDR e.g. if carbon gets accounted negative in one sector and positive in another one. |
Not sure I fully understand your solution. I'd interpret it as this and I think that would be fine: Option A)
(this needs to be only fossil because process emissions from bio/syn products are not accounted as emissions) Personally, I'd favor also taking out this foss/non-fossil distinction in the feedstock terms for Option B)
Does that make sense? (I also updated the table) (It's late) |
You did it again, after 4 pm :-D Option B) is wrong I think: Compared with Option A) you add Option A) seems like a possible way to go. However, I see a few issues in the splitting between energy and non-energy emissions that we should be aware of:
So I'd propose an option C), which has the exact same terms as option A), but distributes them differently over Option C)
With this option, the following is ensured:
As mentioned earlier, we could (and should) sum these terms in the industry modules to variables with names that other people can intuitively understand, and then add these terms to the core emission balance. |
I don't discuss this issue before 8 pm... ;-)
Right. I agree. So option A or C are correct. On the question what to account in which equation For all levels below Now, conceptually on the accounting: Ultimately, these decision should be made on IAMC level and they should based on (the more general) accounting rules of the IPCC. In my perception, these kind of accounting questions of carbon in materials are not fully clarified (neither in IAMC, IPCC or EU-ETS). We should decide for something that seems sensible for now but then open an issue in the IAMC common definitions repository. I'd say this:
Hope that makes sense. My proposal would be that this would be three separate terms of the feedstocks implementation that get fed back to the emissions equations individually (the first in See this for the general structure of the IPCC sectors and the waste sector specifically (IPCC 2006 Guidelines, Volume 5, Chapter 1, Intro): |
I'm trying to translate this into concrete implementation: Compared with my option C), I'm adding
I would implement that in GAMS, and you adapt |
This
equals what is currently
right? I would not use these terms in such a complicated manner, but rather the latter ones for ease of understanding. And this term would then go to
Alright. But I cannot promise this very soon at the moment. Will be a bit lower on the list. |
They're only equal with our current default switches:
And the difference is one variable, seems worth it to stick to that? |
…incineration irrespective of source" This reverts commit 65910e8.
Needs remind2 adaptation before merging. @fschreyer, please review! |
is this PR also relevant for our next release? Will it be merged soon? |
no |
I would have some time for this now. Would you mind pulling develop and making a run with this, @JakobBD? Then, I'd do the reporting change. |
Fixes remindmodel/development_issues#343.
Probably requires remind2 changes. Who wants to do it? @0UmfHxcvx5J7JoaOhFSs5mncnisTJJ6q @fschreyer ?
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