Meeting 2013 04 01

Attending

azita, brian, josh, simon, jack, patrick, dave

azita: Since this is our first meeting, introductions?
azita: Research team manager. CA
brian: Rust/servo team member. CA
jack: New last week, full time on servo. NM
josh: Officially on servo, but often on Firefox. Working on expanding code generation for DOM. Based in Toronto
simon: Joining on May 20, working on gecko layout, servo and CSS specs. Based in London.

< also patrick: Rust/servo. CA. not present>

azita: discussing a servo work week. research team will be having one on april 8, maybe have a seperate work week for servo
jack: available, depending on time. unavailable week of april 15 and first week of may.
simon: not available in may and early june. april would have to check. mid-june available.
brian: maybe we can think about this as we get settled into the project

jack: What's the story?
brian: current consensus seems to be MPL, but fair number of people want something more permissive.
jack: how does this decision affect samsung?
brian: don't know
jack: Who to talk to about gecko licencesning / embedding. Should find out what they did wrong, how webkit does it, etc.
josh: benjamin smedberg (bsmedberg), gervase markham (gerv) might know numbers/stories
jack: Can you forward that internal discussion to me?
brian: yeah
jack: Is brendan going to be at the work week, and can we talk to him about this?
azita: No
azita: Is this something we need to discuss with samsung?
brian: I think it would be a good idea
jack: Anybody know webkit license?
brian: It's a soup. most restrictive I think is LGPL

jack: Related to mozjs.
jack: Asked jdm what it would take to update skia and mozjs
jack: I think the latest clang update on OS X has broken things
jack: Seeing tons of warnings about c++11 syntax. mozjs has a warning about C return types and linkage.
jack: What's the thinking about updating these?
jdm: Spidermonkey is going going to be hard. They are removing the C interface.
brian: Skia should be ok
jack: Ok, I'll get on that and also remove cairo.
brian: Do we have any possibliity of getting the build fixed for 0.6?
jack: Right now can't build mozjs. Maybe we could rest of the crates fixed.
brian: Seems like we won't have this working in time.
jack: OS X pushed new OpenGL. need updated skia
jack: Is there anyone to ask about this mozjs build problem?
patrick: Can ask in #jsapi but they will probably to tell you to upgrade?

jack: Brian posted some to list about this
jack: Build automation looks really important, would be nice to have bors. Is there any way to get some partial bors so we can get pull requests posted to IRC
patrick: GitHub has some hooks we could look into
brian: need to set them up on each repo
jack: i've got a script!
jack: since we have a goal to be embeddable, seems like we should have a milestone for it
jack: not sure what the milestone would be
patrick: how does this differ from crow?
jack: what platforms does crow work on?
patrick: it's vaporware but could work on all desktop platforms, could do android
brian: android embedding is android-specific though
patrick: so crow is an app with a web view
jack: ok, that overlaps.

jack: Last March servo posts, there were some mentions about a pure JS DOM implementation
patrick: That was something by David Flanagan (dom.js). Andreas liked it. We decided not to go that route because of performance. You would need an implementation of the layer tree in both JavaScript and DOM, can't share memory so must use message passing (shadow DOM approach?). There was some research project (MS?) that indicated this was too slow.
patrick: We got a pull request for rust-http-client for rustpkg integration. That's great. Getting rid of the makefiles should be a goal because we should be dogfooding rustpkg.
jack: Does the rustpkg change work?
patrick: Have not tested it
jack: Also got one for rust-opengles to add some functions
patrick: Yeah, I'll merge it. rust-opengles should eventually be replaced by bjz's bindings, which are much more complete. The just don't fully work yet.
jack: When I talk to sbillig about rust-http-client I'll ask if he wants to update others for rustpkg too